Legislature(2017 - 2018)BUTROVICH 205

04/06/2018 01:30 PM Senate HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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*+ SB 134 TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RTS;GUARDIANS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 134 Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invited and Public> --
*+ SCR 18 NOVEMBER 2018: DIABETIC EYE DISEASE MONTH TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCR 18 Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invited and Public> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          SB 134-TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RTS;GUARDIANS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:36:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   WILSON  reconvened   the   meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration of SB 134.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BERTA  GARDNER, Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor  of SB
134, said the  bill is the termination of parental  rights when a                                                               
child is born of a rape  with clear and convincing evidence, with                                                               
court approval, and always in the best interests of the child.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:38:27 PM                                                                                                                    
NATHANIEL  GRABMAN, Staff,  Senator Berta  Gardner, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented SB  134 on behalf of the  sponsor. He said                                                               
that in 2015 the Rape Survivor  Child Custody Act was passed into                                                               
law as  Title IV  of Federal Justice  for Victims  of Trafficking                                                               
Act.  That law  encouraged states  to have  statutes which  allow                                                               
parental  rights  to  be terminated  in  cases  where  conception                                                               
occurred  involving clear  and convincing  evidence  of rape.  AS                                                               
25.23.180,  originally  passed into  law  in  1987, fulfills  the                                                               
requirements of  this federal  law and  makes the  state eligible                                                               
for certain federal  grant funding, which Alaska  has received in                                                               
the  last two  years.  Section  (c) of  this  law contains  three                                                               
subsections which  allow for termination  of parental  rights for                                                               
these  distinct reasons:  1.  Child  in Need  of  Aid (CINA),  2.                                                               
Adoption, and  3. Child conceived  of rape. SB 134  clarifies the                                                               
existing  statute by  explicitly  stating  that the  relationship                                                               
between  parent   and  child  may   be  terminated   through  the                                                               
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     An independent  proceeding issued  on the  grounds that                                                                    
     the  parent  committed    an  act  constituting  sexual                                                                    
     assault, sexual abuse  of a minor, or  incest under the                                                                    
     rules of this state, or  a comparable offense under the                                                                    
     laws  of  the  state   where  the  act  occurred,  that                                                                    
     resulted   in  conception   of  the   child  and   that                                                                    
     termination of  the parental  rights of  the biological                                                                    
     parent are in the best interests of the child.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRABMAN   said  Senator  Gardner  had   intended  to  create                                                               
legislation to allow for the  termination of parental rights to a                                                               
child  born  of  rape  before  she  discovered  that  it  already                                                               
existed. The issue  is that the statute drafted is  in Chapter 23                                                               
of Title 25, which is specific  to adoption. Its existence is not                                                               
well known,  even to  family law  attorneys. Senator  Gardner has                                                               
heard  of at  least one  case in  which a  judge interpreted  the                                                               
statute as not relevant to a  case which did not involve adoption                                                               
or  Child  in  Need  of  Aid  proceedings.  As  can  be  seen  in                                                               
supporting  documents, the  legislative intent  was clear  at the                                                               
time:  a desire  to create  a mechanism  by which  a woman  could                                                               
terminate the  parental rights  of a  rapist father.  Because the                                                               
existing adoption  statute already contained  provisions relating                                                               
to the termination  of parental rights, the  statute was inserted                                                               
into that  section of state  law with additional  references made                                                               
to AS  47.10, the  Child in  Need of  Aid section.  While legally                                                               
efficient,  this placement  within  those  statutes has  hindered                                                               
awareness   of   the  statute   as   well   as  contributing   to                                                               
misinterpretations of  the circumstances under which  the law may                                                               
be utilized.  SB 134  aims to address  both shortcomings.  SB 134                                                               
has  18  sections, but  only  four  make substantive  changes  to                                                               
existing statute or court rules.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:41:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GRABMAN said  almost every section references  Section 11, so                                                               
he will start the sectional there.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  11. Restructures  AS  25.23.180(c) to  clarify                                                                  
     that termination for parental  rights may be ordered in                                                                    
     an independent proceeding on the  grounds that a parent                                                                    
     committed  an act  constituting sexual  assault, sexual                                                                    
     abuse  of  a minor,  or  incest  that resulted  in  the                                                                    
     conception of a child.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1.  Conforms a cross-reference for  purposes of                                                                  
     court venue  for the termination of  parental rights on                                                                    
     the  grounds  that  the parent  has  committed  an  act                                                                    
     constituting sexual  assault, sexual abuse of  a minor,                                                                    
     or  incest  that  resulted in  the  conception  of  the                                                                    
     child, consistent with section 11 of this bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2.  Conforms a cross-reference for  purposes of                                                                  
     the   exception  to   consent   to  adoption   required                                                                    
     consistent with section 11 of this bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3.  Authorizes the court to  appoint a guardian                                                                  
     ad  litem   for  cases  involving  petitions   for  the                                                                    
     termination  of parental  rights  of a  parent who  has                                                                    
     committed  an act  constituting sexual  assault, sexual                                                                    
     abuse  of  a minor,  or  incest  that resulted  in  the                                                                    
     conception of a child under section 11 of this bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRABMAN   said  Sections  4-10  and   12-15  are  conforming                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16.  Adds a new  subsection to AS  25.23.180 to                                                                  
     clarify  that a  petition for  termination of  parental                                                                    
     rights for the  grounds specified in section  11 of the                                                                    
     bill   may  be   filed  to   initiate  an   independent                                                                    
     proceeding not connected to a  petition for adoption or                                                                    
     a proceeding under AS 47.10.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRABMAN said Section 17 is conforming language.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 18.  Describes how AS 25.23.180,  as amended by                                                                  
     this bill, has the effect of changing court rules.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH  summarized  that  there  is  existing  statutory                                                               
authority to  do this, but it  is narrow and not  clear to family                                                               
law  attorneys  that  they  can do  this  termination.  The  bill                                                               
clarifies  the  law  and  makes   sure  it  applies  to  all  the                                                               
instances.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRABMAN said  that is a good summary. They  have asked family                                                               
law attorneys about  their knowledge of the  statute and received                                                               
a variety  of responses, ranging  from not knowing it  existed to                                                               
adamantly stating that  termination of a parent's  rights was not                                                               
possible  outside   of  Child   in  Need   of  Aid   or  adoption                                                               
proceedings. A  large part of the  motivation for the bill  is to                                                               
increase  awareness   that  this   law  exists  and   to  clarify                                                               
proceedings can be undertaken outside of those two categories.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if  it is  correct that if  this law  were to                                                               
pass,  the state  would not  be  leaving federal  funding on  the                                                               
table.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARDNER replied she believes  that the federal government                                                               
recognizes that existing  statute does do what SB  134 does. That                                                               
is part  of the problem because  it is so unclear.  The state has                                                               
claimed grants from the federal  government in 2016 and 2017. The                                                               
federal government  says the state  does have the statute  but if                                                               
the  courts disagree  and family  law attorneys  don't understand                                                               
that that  is in existence,  this effort  is needed to  make sure                                                               
that there is no dispute.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL referenced  the  letter from  Miles Curtis  from                                                               
Petersburg about  SB 134 and asked  if this was one  of the cases                                                               
that was brought to her attention.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARDNER said that is one  of the cases that is not really                                                               
black and white.  It has confounding factors which  are that both                                                               
parents were very young and  the father's family has been raising                                                               
the child.  It is  a situation  where the  best interests  of the                                                               
child may  be to not terminate  parental rights, but that  is for                                                               
the court to decide.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRABMAN noted an article from  the Juneau Empire dated May 1,                                                               
2016 that tells the story of  Angelica Curtis and her family. She                                                               
was 13  and in a  romantic relationship with  a man who  was over                                                               
the  age of  majority when  she became  pregnant. The  biological                                                               
father was  convicted of statutory  rape and spent  several years                                                               
in prison.  The families have  had an ongoing court  battle. Part                                                               
of  the  court  case  involves  the statute  the  bill  seeks  to                                                               
clarify.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked  for clarification that this bill  is not a                                                               
remedy for that case.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:48:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  GRABMAN  said the  bill  aims  to  clarify in  statute  that                                                               
termination  of  parental  rights  can  be  used  in  independent                                                               
proceedings  outside  of  Child  in   Need  of  Aid  or  adoption                                                               
proceedings. It  is not  intended to  be a  hammer to  break that                                                               
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARDNER added that part of  the problem for the mother in                                                               
that  case is  the best  interests of  the child.  The child  has                                                               
spent   a  considerable   amount  of   time  with   the  paternal                                                               
grandparents.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH summarized  that by  making the  law clearer,  it                                                               
provides guidance to  the court to put the best  interests of the                                                               
child forward and  to clearly understand that  the best interests                                                               
of the  child should be  the determining  factor in this  kind of                                                               
instance.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GARDNER said  yes, that is exactly  right. Alaska statute                                                               
broadly attempts to  always have the best interests  of the child                                                               
paramount.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH said  the letter  from Miles  Curtis supports  an                                                               
action like  this because it  would make  it clear, similar  to a                                                               
Washington  state law.  The father  is looking  for that  kind of                                                               
clarity.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARDNER  clarified that  Miles  Curtis  is the  maternal                                                               
grandparent. She  believes that  is his  intent. The  language in                                                               
Section  3  allows  for  appointment  of  guardian  ad  litem  to                                                               
advocate for best interests of the child.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH summarized that Senator  Gardner became aware that                                                               
the law as originally written is not clear.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARDNER  said  that  is   exactly  right.  There  is  no                                                               
intention to  solve the problem  of a specific case.  Rather, the                                                               
idea is  to solve a  problem for  the entire category  of people,                                                               
usually women,  raising a child  from rape.  It could apply  to a                                                               
father of a child.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:52:56 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY  MEADE, General  Counsel, Alaska  Court System,  introduced                                                               
herself and offered to answer questions on SB 134.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked  if SB 134 is necessary for  family law, since                                                               
the  federal  government  recognizes  that  Alaska  has  this  in                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  said the  sponsor's goal is  to clarify  existing law.                                                               
Whether it is  necessary is the legislature's call.  The Court is                                                               
neutral.  She understands  this  has been  confusing. Perhaps  it                                                               
would be  beneficial to attorneys,  parties, and even  judges, to                                                               
have  it more  explicitly spelled  out. SB  134 is  more explicit                                                               
than what is in current law.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON opened public testimony on SB 134.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:54:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MILES CURTIS, Representing  Self, supported SB 134.  He said this                                                               
is something his  family has had to go through  for the past five                                                               
years.  Clarification  is  important   because  the  courts  have                                                               
refused to allow  a hearing to attempt to  terminate the father's                                                               
rights. The  child, who  is now  eight, has been  in his  and his                                                               
wife's custody  for the first  six years  of his life.  The court                                                               
just  recently placed  him with  the  paternal grandfather,  who,                                                               
ironically, wasn't  even asking for custody.  Judicial discretion                                                               
is used  quite liberally in cases  like this. He has  been asking                                                               
Senator Gardner  to change  the law  slightly to  make it  not so                                                               
discretionary.  They have  been  through the  wringer. They  have                                                               
moved several  times. They  are thousands of  dollars in  debt to                                                               
lawyers. It has  been a hardship. His  daughter has posttraumatic                                                               
stress disorder (PTSD).  Congress has recognized that  PTSD is an                                                               
issue  for women  who have  to testify  against their  abusers in                                                               
court, but Alaska courts have not  and it is used against her. He                                                               
would like  to see a law  like Washington state's that  takes the                                                               
state out of the equation. The  problem now is not the abuser, it                                                               
is Alaska and its court system.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. CURTIS said  improve the bill so that rapists  as parents are                                                               
never in  the best interests of  the child. Laws should  be clear                                                               
and concise.  That can benefit people  in the future who  have to                                                               
go through this.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:58:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON closed public testimony on SB 134.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON said he had looked  at this concept before he was in                                                               
the  legislature. As  part  of a  SART  [Sexual Assault  Response                                                               
Team] response,  forensic nurses ask  victims if they  would like                                                               
Plan B  [to prevent pregnancy]. When  he asked why that  was part                                                               
of  the response,  he was  astounded when  told that  fathers can                                                               
still have parental rights to a  child. This bill is not pro-life                                                               
per se,  but it  gives another  option to  help limit  a victim's                                                               
connection to a perpetrator. He is supportive of this bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  said at first she  could not believe that  a law                                                               
like  this was  not in  place. She  has been  convinced that  the                                                               
legislature needs to substantiate and confirm that law.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   BEGICH  said   he  also   appreciates  the   bill.  The                                                               
legislature should  be very clear that  there ought to be  a path                                                               
to terminate the parental rights of rapists.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL moved SB 134, Version 30-LS1182\A, from                                                                         
committee with individual recommendations and attached fiscal                                                                   
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON found no objection and SB 134 was moved from the                                                                   
Senate Health and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SCR 18 Version D.PDF SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SCR 18 Sponsor Statement.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SCR 18 Fiscal Note - Leg Affairs Agency.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SCR 18 Support Document Article UNC School of Medicine.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SCR 18 Support Document National Eye Institute.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SCR 18 Support Document Alaska Health Indicators DHSS.PDF SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SCR 18
SB 134 Version A.PDF SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
SB 134
SB 134 Sponsor Statement.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Fiscal Note - Office of Childrens Services.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 2015 Leg Research Report.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Backup Info on Alaska Statutes.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Juneau Empire - Twice the Victim of a Rapist.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 CNN - How I Stopped My State from Giving Parental Rights to Rapists.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Economist - A Question of Proof 7 19 14.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 134 Public Input.pdf SHSS 4/6/2018 1:30:00 PM
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